The Great Debate - Tebow v. Ward

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It's been all over the place lately. Thanks to Bobby Bowden's comments last week, there have been countless debates over which QB was better: Charlie Ward of Tim Tebow. I thought it was about time to add my two sense into the convo.

There was such an uproar within the Gator community when Bowden made his now infamous comment. I really don't see the big deal. He was backing a guy who won a national championship and a Heisman for the team that he coaches. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, I would be a little put off if Bowden had declared Tebow the greatest ever. I would have thought, "Maybe Bowden has lost it.

On the other hand, there has been a backlash against Gator Nation, and Tebow for that matter, for the response to Bowden's comments. Many people feel that not only should they scream that Ward was better, but that he was way better! If you listened to these people, you would have thought that Tebow lucked into the Heisman and his 2 natonal titles by playing weak competition and playing for a coach that conspires to get him the ball as much as possible.

Both sides are wrong. While it would be easy for me to exclaim from the highest mountaintop how great Tebow is. I'm not going to do that. I'm going to put forth my thoughts on both players candidacy for the best ever title. I'm not completely backing either one.

For what it's worth, I think Tommie Frazier is the greatest football player, let alone QB, to play at the college level. But that's for a different debate.

The Best Ever.

Let's take a look at both player's career stats.

Charlie Ward - 473-750 63% 5,747 yards 49 tds 22 ints 889 rushing yards 10 rushing tds

Tim Tebow - 448-681 66% 6,390 yards 67 tds 11 ints 2,077 rushing yards 43 rushing tds

It's pretty easy to find the flaw in using career stats as a barometer of these two player's greatness. Tebow has played more games than Ward. Charlie only started 1 1/2 years for the Noles, while Tebow is going on his third season. However, I don't see how you can hold that against Tebow. Shouldn't he get a little credit for startig for a national power for 3 seasons? Also, the fact that Ward literally DOUBLED Tebow's interceptions total in half the amount of time is startling. I do appreciate the fact, though, that Ward is only 600 passing yards away from Tebow's total in that short period of time.

For a better barometer, let's Take Tebow's best season (2007) and match it up with Ward's (1993)

Charlie Ward - 264-380 69% 3,032 yards 27 tds 4 ints

Tim Tebw - 234-350 67% 3,286 yards 32 tds 6 ints

The numbers here are closer, with a slight edge still in Tebow's favor. I purposely left out the rushing statistics because that would tilt the scales in Tebow's favor tremendously. The whole 20/20 statistic was an amazing feat. Now, I think Ward's season is a little more impressive than Tebow's because Ward won the national championship. Tebow, not so much...

Heismans are all fine and dandy, but I really don't like to use a biased award as a means of judging a player. I do like to use championships though. As we all know, Tebow leads in that category 2-1 and he's trying to make it 3-1. Now, for the sake of argument, and since I can already hear FSU fans bitching about Tebow not having anything to do with the 2006 title, I'll throw that one out. Let's just focus on 2008 for Tebow and again 1993 for Ward.

Most Seminole fans will have you believe that Ward faced the most difficult schedule ever concocted. How anyone could ever come out of that schedule alive, let alone win a national title is totally incomprehensible. Tebow on the other hand, faced a bunch of soft pansies that wouldn't know how to play football if Walter Camp was their head coach.

Heres the respective schedules:

1993 Florida St..........................................................2008 Florida Gators

1. Kansas W................................................................1. Hawaii W
2. Duke W...................................................................2. Miami W
3. Clemson W.............................................................3. Tennessee W
4. North Carolina W..................................................4. Ole Miss L
5. Georgia Tech W.....................................................5. Arkansas W
6. Miami W.................................................................6. LSU W
7. Virginia W...............................................................7. Kentucky W
8. Wake Forest W......................................................8. Georgia W
9. Maryland W...........................................................9. Vanderblt W
10. Notre Dame L.....................................................10. South Carolina W
11. North Carolina ST. W.........................................11. Citadel W
12. Florida W.............................................................12. Florida St. W
National Championship- Nebraska W...................SEC Championship v Alabama W
.....................................................................................National Championship v. Oklahoma W

Florida St. did have a tougher schedule in 1993 than Florida did in 2008. I'm not disputing that. However, I do think it's a little absurd to claim that their scheule was vastly superiors to Florida. Most FSU fans will point to the Notre Dame game as a major factor in why their schedule was tougher. That's all well and good, but FSU lost that game! Plus, Notre Dame would go on to lose the very next week against a not so great Boston College team. Florida player several teams that had top-raked defenses at the time of the meeting. LSU, Kentucky, Georgia, South Carolina, Florida St. and Alabama all had tremendous seasons defensively. That is, until they played the Gators. Plus, the Gators actually beat 2 number 1 teams, Alabama and Oklahoma. Something that FSU couldn't do.

Take these arguments for what its worth. I don't think it's blasphemous to claim Ward is better than Tebow, especially if you're the head freaking coach of Florida St. I do think it's wrong to discount what Tebow has already accomplished at Florida. Maybe he will be more appreciated by opposing fans once he's no longer playing.

CFB 365 Beer Pong Torunament

Beer pong and college football. Has there ever been two things that went together so nicely? Not since peanut butter and jelly or Phil Fulmer and stretch pants have two entities come together and created one magnificent spectacle.

I've decided to exploit this fact by starting a beer pong tournament, CFB365 style. The tournament will consist of 16 prominent BCS coaches divided into two brackets. I wanted to do one with the players, but we don't condone underage drinking here at 365 (officially anyways...).

The tournament will commence tomorrow. For now, let's meet the competitors.

The "I Need 10 Cups So They Don't Runeth Over" Division


1. Urban Meyer- Florida.

Tale of the tape.
Age- 45
Birthplace- Ashtabula, OH
Claim to fame- Won 2 national championships in first 4 years at Florida.
Signature move- Calls timeout when ahead 8 cups to 2 to give his opponent plenty of time to contemplate their inevitable defeat. Then calmly drains the last 2 cups.
Quote- " You'd be nuts not to root for me."
Nickname- Head Ponger In Charge



2. Nick Saban - Alabama

Tale of the tape.

Age- 57
Birthplace- Hell
Claim to fame- Became the head coach of Bama merely minutes after refuting reports he was leaving the Miami Dolphins.
Signature move- Convinces opponent he will not play against them. As soon as they let their guard down, he attacks!
Quote- "I will not play in this tournament. I'm telling you right now. Never, ever."
Nickname- Honest Nicky



3. Pete Carroll - USC

Tale of the tape.

Age- 57
Birthplace- San Francisco, CA
Claim to fame- 1 1/2 national championships.
Signature move- He has the rest of the PAC-10 hold his side cup when it's his turn to shoot.
Quote- "Win forever....at beer pong!"
Nickname- West Coast Pong Dude



4. Les Miles - LSU

Tale of the tape.

Age- 55
Birthplace- Elyria, OH
Claim to fame- Won national championship despite 2 losses.
Signature move- With only one cup needed to win, Miles will still attempt to bounce the ball in just for shits and giggles.
Quote- " What the hell, go for it!"
Nickname- The Beer Pong Gambler



5. Mack Brown - Texas

Tale of the tape.

Age- 57
Birthplace- Cookeville, TN
Claim to fame- Rode Vince Young's manic depressive legs to a national championship.
Signature move- He finds one toss he likes early and sticks with it. No matter what, he keeps doing it over and over.
Quote- "Drink 'Em"
Nickname- The Solo Cup Destroyer



6. Jim Tressel - Ohio St.

Tale of the tape.

Age- 56
Birthplace- Mentor, OH
Claim to fame- Won one national championship with the Buckeyes, and he only needed a little help from the refs.
Signature move- Slowly wears down his opponent by methodically draining every cup in order and playing good defense.
Quote- "What the hell does a spread offense mean?"
Nickname- The Vested Ponger




7. Joe Paterno - Penn St.

Tale of the tape.

Age- 109
Birthplace- Brooklyn, NY
Claim to Fame- The all time winningnest coach in college football history.
Signature move- Watches the whole match from the side while his assistants do all the work.
Quote- "Beer pong was way more fun during prohibition."
Nickname- JoePong



8. Randy Shannon - Miami

Tale of the tape.

Age- 43
Birthplace- Miami, FL
Claim to fame- Crying incessantly after Urban Meyer kicked a late field goal in last year's Gators victory.
Signature move- Bad mouths opponents after each and every loss.
Quote- "Everybody in this tournament is a classless dirtbag."
Nickname- Tears For Beers.


The "I Just Need An Excuse To Drink" Division.


1. Mark Richt - Georgia

Tale of the tape.

Age- 49
Birthplace- Omaha, NE
Claim to fame- Severely pissing off Urban Meyer.
Signature move- Jumps on to the table and celebrates wildly after draining the first cup of every match.
Quote-"At least I'm not Lane Kffin."
Nickname- The Double Fister




2. Lane Kiffin - Tennessee

Tale of the tape.

Age- 34
Birthplace- Bloomington, MN
Claim to fame- Absolutely nothing.
Signature move- Pisses off every single one of his opponents before the match even starts.
Quote-"I'm gonna turn Urban Meyer in right now. He blocked my attempt to bounce my ball into his cup. Just to let you know, that's cheating.
Nickname- Lame Chugger



3. Bob Stoops - Oklahoma

Tale of the tape.

Age- 48
Birthplace- Youngstown, OH
Claim to fame- One national championship and 26 straight BCS appearances.
Signature move- Wins every single match with a tiebreaker.
Quote-"Why would I design a defense to stop the Statue of Liberty? That play will never come up."
Nickname- Beer Me


4. Charlie Weis - Notre Dame

Tale of the tape.

Age- 53
Birthplace- Butter
Claim to fame- "Architect" of the New England Patriots' offense.
Signature move- Disorients opponents with his body odor and engulfs any wayward ping pong balls that come near his cups.
Quote- "I'm telling you, I am a genius. You gotta believe me!"
Nickname- Lightweight




5. Rich Rodriguez - Michigan

Tale of the tape.

Age- 46
Birthplace- Grant Town, WV
Claim to fame- Led Michigan to their worst record in 206 years of football.
Signature move- Wipes the sweat off of his brow with bright red wristbands while calmly draining shots.
Quote-"Give me my money!"
Nickname - Appalachian Swigger



6. Bobby Bowden - Florida St.

Tale of the tape.

Age- 107
Birthplace- Pangaea
Claim to fame- Two national championships and a lifetime of quotes.
Signature move- The Pongrooskie
Quote-"Well Daggummit. I can't follow this her darned thing."
Nickname- The Wonderkid.




7. Steve Kragthorpe - Louisville
Tale of the tape.

Age- 44
Birthplace- Missoula, MT
Claim to fame- Completely bombing the Louisville program.
Signature move- Gets in way over his head and hangs on for dear life.
Quote- "I'm not in Tulsa anymore."
Nickname- Stevie Kegstand






8. Mike Riley - Oregon St.

Tale of the tape.

Age- 56
Birthplace- Wallace, ID
Claim to fame- Annually ruining the national title hopes of a PAC-10 team.
Signature move- Surprises his opponents with his cunning ability to dominate the beer pong table. Always lets the other guy back in, but nails the game winning cup in overtime.
Quote-"No, no, no, no, no. I'm the OTHER Mike Riley."
Nickname- The Malice From Corvallis

Tebow's legacy is already secure

In case you don't know, the Heisman Memorial Trophy will be giving out this weekend. The three finalists of course are: Sam Bradford of Oklahoma, Colt McCoy of Texas and Tim Tebow of Florida.

Of course, I would like to see Tebow take this thing home. In all honesty, I would not be heartbroken if he didn't win the trophy. In my opinion, Colt McCoy may actually be the most deserving of the three finalists. He has better numbers than Tebow and has beaten Sam Bradford head to head. However, it's not all about the numbers when it comes to this award.

The Heisman winner is usually defined by a few select Heisman defining moments. Do you think Desmond Howard would have won the award if he didn't strike the pose after scoring a touchdown? He might have, but it would have been harder. How about Reggie Bush? Would he have beat out teammate Matt Leinart if he didn't perform that sick behind the back maneuver while on his way to the house? Probably. But it would have been tougher.

While Tebow may lack the stats that Bradford and McCoy have put up in the pass happy Big XII. He has had his share of Heisman defining moments. Here are a few:

1. The Promise

This season will always be remembered as the year of the promise. After the Gators suffered a heart breaking loss to Ole Miss, a misty-eyed Tebow promised a room full of reporters and the entire Gator nation that from that moment on, the Gators were not going to let us down. Timmy T promised that no one in the nation would work harder than himself or push his team harder than he would. I have to say, so far he's kept up his end of the promise. It's amazing how a loss can be turned into such a great team for a football team.

2. War Paint in Tallahassee

If the promise is the most memorable soundbite of the season. The picture of Tebow leaving the field after his first half touchdown run against the Seminoles may be the image of the year. Tebow was angered by the local fans cheering as Florida wide out Percy Harvin rolled around on the ground in pain. Reportedly, Timmy walked up to head coach Urban Meyer and said something to the effect of, "Give me the damn ball! I wanna hit somebody!" Meyer did, and Tebow did. He dragged the entire pile almost five yards to score the touchdown. I don't care if the Gators were on their own 1 yard line, Mr. Tebow would have drug the pile 99 yards to score. There was just simply no stopping him. After the play, Timmy rose to his feet and took the sidelines. He could be seen pumping up the crown with the Seminoles end zone paint covering his entire face and body. Classic!

3. Come From Behind in the 'Chip

Most great quarterbacks are defined by what they do in crunch time. What happens when their team is down in the fourth quarter and they need a score. This same situation presented itself to Tebow in the SEC championship game against a very stout Alabama defense. Not only did Tebow lead his team back to victory, he made it look easy. The Crimson Tide had never looked so lost on the defensive side of the ball. The video of Tebow sprinting down the sideline and crashing into his teammates to inspire the kick-off team was more vintage Tebow.

The stats for Tebow are somewhat down this year. 564 rushing yards for 12 touchdowns. 2,515 passing yards for 28 touchdowns. However, these numbers do become a little more impressive when you take into account that Tebow has only turned the ball over twice. That's 40 touchdowns with only 2 turnovers!

A few more factors that might work into Tebow's favor on Saturday:

1. The Best Ever?

There has been increasing debate that Tim tebow may very well be the best college football player ever. This topic has hit several national sports talk outlets as well as countless local media outlets. I've heard more than a few Heisman voters say that they believe Tebow IS the best college football player ever. Not saying it's right, but I'm sure a few voters will feel like Tebow deserves another Heisman to solidify that title. Also, how many voters will see fit to vote for Tim in order to see an historic run a third Heisman award?

2. Bronko Nagurski at QB

We can thank Bobby Bowden for this one. After Tebow almost single-handedly thrashed his Seminoles for the second straight year, Bowden made the now famous comparison. This idea has caught on like wildfire. It's kind of cool to think of your QB as a Bronko Nagurski type. And that's exactly what he is.

I don't know if number 15 will win the Heisman on Saturday. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't. However,there is no denying the fact that Tim Tebow is the best college football player in America. Quite possibly ever.

Countdown!

'Twas the day before football, when all through the land
Everyone was stirring, especially CFB fans;

The helmets were hung by the lockers with care,
In hopes that gameday soon would be there;

The cheerleaders were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of touchdowns danced in their heads;
And mamma in her 'jersey, and I in my hat,
Had just settled down for a long fall’s nap,
When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the couch to see what was the matter.
Away to the window I flew like a flash,
Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash.
The moon on the breast of the new-cut grass
Gave the lustre of mid-day to OSU fan’s ass,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,

But a miniature horse, and an Indian with a spear,
With an old time coach, so dagummit lively,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Bobby.
More rapid than War Eagles his players they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;
"Now, Tebow! now, Daniel! now, Moreno and Harvin!
On, Wells! on Bradford! on, Harrell and Garvin!
To the back of the end zone! Go get that ball !
Now sprint away! sprint away! sprint away all!
"As dry leaves that before the Miami Hurricanes fly,
When they meet with an obstacle, on their backs they will lie,
So up to the field the players they ran,
With pads on their shoulders, and a football in their hands.

And then, in an instant, I heard on the tube.
The yelling and screaming of the Gameday Crew.
As I looked at the screen, and was turning around,
Through the door St. Bobby came with a bound.
He was dressed all in garnet, from his shoes to his shirt,
And his golf hat was tarnished with ashes and dirt;
A bunch of players he had suspended from his team,
And he looked like a skeleton from some sort of bad dream.
His eyes -- how they glazed! his dimples how wrinkly!
His cheeks were like roses, his nose was so crinkly!
His droll gaping mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And he looked like he was chasing Joe Paterno;
The combing of a playbook he held in his hand,
And the scribbling all over it made it hard to comprehend;

He had a broad face and a big round belly,
That shook, when he laughed like a bowlful of jelly.
He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old fart,
And I cringed when I saw him, ‘Cus I’m a Gator at heart;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know the ‘Noles were nothing to dread;
He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled out the playbook; then left like a jerk,
And laying his finger on top of his nose,
He pointed to a breathe-right strip, for health reasons I suppose;
He sprang to his car, to his team gave a Yo!,
And away they all fled like Geno Hayes at the sight of Tebow.


But I heard him exclaim, as he drove away,

"College football starts tomorrow, Dagummit, watch every play!."

Good 'ol Bobby says he's staying.

Florida State head coach Bobby Bowden hinted that he will be staying in Tallahassee for a few years. This all went down during his interview at the ACC media Days.


Bowden, who turns 79 this upcoming season, said he wants to stay at FSU until he can right the ship. I am fond of Bobby, but I don't think he will be around long enough to see the 'Noles bounce back.


When asked about his future, Bowden said " I'm still the head football coach. But I know we've got to win more than we're winning now. I'm not interested in getting out, though. I plan on getting this thing back to where it ought to be, and go on from there. Time will tell."


Bowden knows his team has been garbage lately. The fact that he thinks he can turn it around just makes him seem a little senile. Another insight into the man's insanity may have came when he was quoted as saying, " My goal is to gt back to the top, but if we get there, we're not going to stay there. There's too many good teams in this conference."


Too many good teams in this conference? Does Bowden think he's in the SEC or Big XII. There are probably one and a half good teams in the ACC. That's about it. What happened to the good old days in Tallahassee when the 'Noles didn't care who was on their schedule? They would just show up and wax that ass. Now, FSU can't even get past Wake anymore.


I know one man that's one pissed off millionaire right about now:

Brandon Warren moves up on my shit list

It was announced today that former Florida State Seminole standout tight end Brandon Warren will be transferring to Tennessee.

Brandon Warren first asked for his transfer from FSU to go back to his home state of Tennessee, but Bobby Bowden pulled a Charlie Weis and denied him.

Here is the official transcript from the meeting.:

BW: Caoch Bowden, I wanna transfer to Tennessee.
BB: Daggumit, who the hell are you?
BW: It's me Brandon! I started at tight end for you.
BB: What the hell does that mean?
BW: I am on your football team!
BB: A what now?
BW: I give up. Just sign this piece of paper.
BB: Did Tommy and Terry put you up to this? I won't go to that home they wanna put me in.

Bowden the tore up the transfer request and totally cock-blocked Warren from joining the Vols. Latest news has come out that Warren was recently admitted into the University of Tennessee. This should clear the way for Warren to join the Vols.

Of course, with a douche for a coach and no QB whatsoever, Warren's presence may mean absolute crap.

It's Getting HOT! HOT! HOT!

Every year brings a new group of coaches closer to the guillotine. Fan bases and boosters grow increasingly more vocal as another lackluster season is finished. Often times, this lead to an early exit for the head coach.

I can't say I blame these fans as I might have been one of the more vocal ones calling for the Zooker's job a few years back.

This year the coaches on the hot seat are a mixture of old veterans, not-so familiar names, and big-name coaches that just aren't getting it done.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a few of these coaches get axed before season's end.





Greg Robinson, Syracuse- Frankly, I'm a little surprised that Robinson is even around to coach this year. The AD has already stated that if there isn't a marked improvement with the Orange, Robinson is out the door. Greg is easily the leading candidate to be fired during the season. Each passing year makes Paul Pasqualoni look more and more like coaching genius.









Chuck Long, San Diego St.- I really cannot see how someone cannot be successful at San Diego State. It should be easy to recruit there (Who wouldn't want to live in San Diego.) There is a decent tradition of talented positional players, i.e. Marshall Faulk, Az-Zahir Hakim, Lon Sheriff, Kevin O'Connell, etc. All that being said, Long has not been very successful at the head of the Aztec program. I think it would be a nice trade-off to lose Long and bring in Jerry Glanville, who is running a pretty successful program at Portland State.







Mike Sanford, UNLV-Sanford is in danger of losing his job for all the same reasons that Long is at SDSU. UNLV is in a good locale, there is a tradition of talented players, and the program has had a significant drop-off under his helm. UNLV's basketball team just brought in former NBA coach Lon Kruger a few years back. How about the football team doing the same? Ray Rhoades? Steve Mariucci? Mike Shula? None of those guys would probably be too successful, but it would get UNLV back into the news.









Brent Guy, Utah St.- Over the past few years no team has been as consistent at being awful as Utah St. has.Guy shouldn't get all the blame because it is near impossible to get top talent to Utah St. with programs like Utah and BYU vying for the same prospects. I think the Aggies need to bring in some new, young blood to give the program a shot of excitement. I don't think Brent Guy will be able to make it through another 1 or 2 win season.








Kirk Ferentz, Iowa-Other than Nick Saban, no coach in the nation makes more money per win than Ferentz. Pretty soon I have to think the people in Iowa City will tire of this and call for a new coach. The Big Ten is getting faster and quicker as the spread is taking over. Ferentz' coaching style is becoming somewhat obsolete. Also, there hasn't been too much to speak of in terms of recruiting at Iowa in recent years. I think Dan McCarney might be welcomed back into the state, or perhaps Florida OC Dan Mullen( Although I really hope that doesn't happen!)







Mike Stoops, Arizona- Mike Stoops has greatly increased the talent level at Arizona in recent years. Now it's time for his team to produce on the field. I believe the Cats are going to have to do better than 6-6 to save Stoops' job, even if 6-6 gets them into a bowl. With their talent, there's no reason why 8-4 shouldn't happen. Although both are long shots, June Jones and Chris Petersen would be good candidates to replace Stoops.


Jeff Genyk, Eastern Michigan- There's never really high expectations for the Eastern Michigan football team. That's probably why there still aren't too many people clamoring for Genyk to be fired. However, in a league where it seems like everyone takes a turn at the top, EMU has consistently been a bottom feeder. Central and Western Michigan are both on the up-swing, there's no reason why Eastern Michigan can't join them. Central Michigan was successful by bringing in Brian Kelly from Grand Valley St., Eastern Michigan could do the same and bring in Chuck Martin from the wildly successful Laker program.




Tyrone Willingham, Washington- I really like Ty Willingham. He is one of my favorite coaches in college football. However, he has not produced as expected at Washington. What's sad is that Washington is on the verge of being a great team, and if Willingham is let go after this season, the new coach will step in and reap the rewards (i.e. Charlie Weis.) Unfortunately Ty is on the hot seat, and I feel a bowl game will be the only thing that saves him.



Tom Amstutz, Toledo-Amstutz has had some stints of success while at the helm of the Toledo program. However, the Rockets have fallen on hard times on and off the field recently. Perhaps it is time for a coaching change. This happens all the time in pro sports, a team grows weary of a certain coaching style and that coach has to be let go. This seems to be the position that Toledo is now in.














Hal Mumme, New Mexico St.-Hal Mumme has successfully brought in some excitement to New Mexico St. football. His wide open offenses have produced some of the most entertaining games in recent years. The problem is the Aggies aren't winning those entertaining games. Mumme might actually step down before he is fired. Chase Holbrook is done after this season, and the offense will probably take a hit. I'm not sure Hal wants to stick around for that.






Pat Fitzgerald, Northwestern- Pat Fitzgerald is a high energy, extremely personable coach. Unfortunately, his teams aren't that great. Northwestern has had a drop-off in production every year since Fitzgerald took the helm. While he might be safe with another 5-7 or 6-6 year, anything less than that should cost him his job.














Bobby Bowden, Florida St.- There will be increasing pressure on Bobby Bowden to step down in Tallahassee if there is another mediocre season. Jimbo Fisher waiting in the wings doesn't help. I actually like Bowden. I think he's good for college football. If he steps down I think he should immediately be given a microphone and placed in front of a camera. His knowledge and stories are priceless.